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RENDY BOLAND, e-mail, 24.07.2016 22:59

A ride in a tomahawk is on top of my bucket list. Is there anyone out there in SC/NC/GA who is willing to fulfill this wish.(By the way, not at the croaking age yet,just want to experience the ride.) Willing to compensate you. THANKS !!!

RENDY BOLAND, e-mail, 24.07.2016 22:57

A ride in a tomahawk is on top of my bucket list. Is there anyone out there in SC/NC/GA who is willing to fulfill this wish.(By the way, not at the croaking age yet,just want to experience the ride.) Willing to compensate you. THANKS !!!

paul davison, e-mail, 20.10.2014 00:03

I learnt to fly in one of these excellent little trainers, had tried the cessna 152s , yes they are good but with the tomahawk you get to feel the air around you much more than the 152, the stall is especially informative ie you get to feel whats happening right up to the stall, liked this aircraft a lot and got a soft spot for it. Moved to the PA-28 after gaining my license, the transition was easy, sadly i dont fly these days except on a PC sim just got too expensive :( ..... the 38 is a very capable plane ill never forget likewise my instructor a very capable lady ... cheers

John, e-mail, 18.08.2012 22:28

I own a '79 T-hawk. I enjoy cruising around locally or 2-3 hr trips. It handles well and is not too bad on fuel for a plane covering 105 kts. The stall is not a big deal. I learned in a 150/152 and the transition took 1 hour. Rotation on take off was the biggest difference I could appreciate.

LEE JACKSON, e-mail, 14.05.2012 18:54


Dave A, e-mail, 15.03.2012 07:41

I learned to fly in the Tomahawk in 1984 and I can remember dreading going through stalling. I never felt particularly safe, especially with the T-plane flopping around. But in all other respects she was a nice, docile plane to learn to fly in.

John Nelson, e-mail, 24.04.2011 17:16

I have many hours in the Tomahawk - I instructed in them starting in 1979 at Brown Aviation at Riverside Airport in Riverside, CA.

I started my flight career learning to fly in Cessna Aircraft and had many more hours in Cessna 150/152's(and others) and was quite used to the flight characteristics of those aircraft.

When the Tomahawk came out I heard all about the negatives concerning stalls and spins. When I joined Brown Aviation, a Piper dealership I got my first chance to fly one.

I actually preferred the stall characteristics of the Tomahawk over the Cessna 150/152 as a training plane - I felt the stall characteristics of the 150/152 was too mild and was not as good of a training environment as the Tomahawk.

I felt I was able to better teach stall awareness to students in the Tomahawk since you had to more active on the flight controls, and better prepared them for future flights and transitioning into a larger aircraft.

I also did many stalls and spins in the Tomahawk and was not concerned at all as far as the reliability of the plane. If I held the yoke back as I entered a stall the plane would pitch up & down as it tried to recover but never felt it was a big deal. I was forced to be more active on the rudders and saw this as a positive thing for training purposes.

I was able to easily enter a spin and roll out on a heading after a prescribed number of rotations, then hold a heading, recover from the stall, then resume normal flying.

All in all, I thought it was a great airplane and had more leg room (I am 6'2), and offered more shoulder room, and great visibility than the 150/152.

I preferred a Tomahawk over the Cessna 150/152 for training and fun flying.

Loved the airplane.

Tom Chytil, e-mail, 05.12.2010 18:42

The Tomahawk was an all new design, not based on the "ERCOUPE". It was cleared for spins when operated in the Utility category. The original prototype flew with a low tale, but was converted to a T-tail for production. For a full history of this and other Piper aircraft see the book "Piper Aircraft" by Roger W. Peperell, published by Air-Britain.

jbleve, e-mail, 11.11.2010 06:44

I have not found a single ntsb report of structural damage to a pa38 or a spin accident. As far as I can tell these are lore. Can anyone respond with any factual reports?

Ken Kemper, e-mail, 11.11.2010 03:49

Learned to fly in one of these and did some training stalls,but never looked back at the tail!!Seemed like a stable airplane to me during a stall,not much shudder,just quit flying til the nose was lowered,then flew out of it.

Mark, e-mail, 07.11.2010 00:25

I was flite instructing when we got three of these. Our chief CFI said take 'em up, learn 'em, they are the new trainer. I took one up, spun it, watched the tail do its thing and wondered about it, then a few months later the tail fell off of one in the local area. Kinda scary.

R Weaver, e-mail, 07.09.2010 18:18

I built these for a short period of time. They were built for training purposes and had there not been a bad batch of Mag's the program would have been a total success. Sounds to me like the tail situation is an out of performance spec issue and maybe it is not a good idea to stall them on purpose.

Greg, e-mail, 31.08.2010 20:55

I also learned to fly in these. One day I was do a check flight so that I could rent one from a different airport from where I trained. The flight instructor showed me the bit about the tail shake during a stall....scary. It was the last time I flew one. I don't know how many stalls I did in these things during training.

Bill, e-mail, 22.08.2010 18:55

Learned to fly in these. Tomarock, Tramahawk or whatever, I really enjoyed flying them. Used to just take off on a nice afternoon and cruise around. Hated to have to go home!

Scott Boyd, e-mail, 20.03.2010 06:56

We used to call it the Tomarock. A friend of mine gave a Private Pilot check ride in one and refused to ever get in another. He said they did a stall and he looked back and the T-tail was flopping back and forth.

E.W.Rossi, e-mail, 02.03.2010 07:12

Wasn't this created from the ERCOUPE???

John Hellings, e-mail, 08.01.2009 04:51

Just a beautiful aircraft to fly as well as look at, I know I own one. C-FFJH.

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