Culver Model V

1946

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Cliff Forshey, e-mail, 07.12.2024 19:06

My Dad owned a Culver V NC 80108. In 1955, he crashed it in the treetops trying to climb out of a dead end valley somewhere in WV. Dad survived with only a scar below his lower lip to show for it. I have pictures of the plane before and after the crash. Apparently it didn’t burn up but the pics show the right wing missing and the propeller smashed.

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Brian Lott, e-mail, 17.11.2022 04:28

Does anyone have a copy of STC SA1NE that was issued 11 /15 /1972 to Gerald N. Butterworth? This STC allowed the use of a fixed pitch McCauley 1B90 /ECM7151 propellor on the Culver V. The STC also references a Butterworth Report 1000 dated 9 /13 /1972. Does anyone have a copy of this report? Finally, does anyone know the registration number of the Culver V that Gerald Butterworth owned back in 1972? Appreciate any help you can provide!

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leonard cooke, e-mail, 06.07.2025 Brian Lott

Brian: I was just going through the comments being made on the Culver V. Gerry Butterworth and I were very good friends. I owned that aircraft for a couple of years. N44684. We had the prop STC to a fix pitch McCauley along with making it a civilian type aircraft. Unfortunately I dont have any of the paperwork and Gerry died 6-7 years ago.Maybe you can do something now that you have the N #, if you haven't already. I sold it somewhere around 1975 to a guy from California. Feel free to email me if there is anymore I can do for you. Leonard Cooke

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Brian Lott, e-mail, 08.07.2025 leonard cooke

Thank you for your response.

Gerald N. Butterworth owned Culver V N3038K, serial # V-257 which was the subject of SA1NE.

For two years I worked with a number of FAA employees at the Aircraft Certification Office attempting to obtain the STC information without success. First I was told by Erick Gross that they could not locate the file. Then he suggested that I submit a request under the Abandoned STC process, which I did.

This led to emails and phone calls involving a Cherice Clarke, Michael Schwetz, Scott Hopper, Gary Wechsler, Anthony Gallo and Kris Greer.

In April 2024 I was told that the verification letters would be sent out to Mr. Butterworth’s address at the time the STC was issued as well as his last known address which I provided to them. When I followed up with Cherice Clarke in September 2024 I learned that nothing had been done to proceed with my request.

When I told the group that I intended to take this matter directly to the FAA Administrator, Michael Whitaker, that is when Mr. Greer stepped in attempting to head my complaint off at the pass. I sent my complaint in anyway but Mr. Whitaker resigned in January 2025 following the election results and that was the end of it.

My research found that Gerry Butterworth flew 29.9 hours of flight testing using both a Sensenich and a McCauley fixed pitch propellor. This flight testing took place between June 12, 1972 and September 13, 1972. The results of his flight tests were submitted to the FAA in a document titled Butterworth Report 1000, which is part of the STC file.

I also learned that the STC was approved on a one time basis to be used by Mr. Butterworth on his Culver V, N3038K. It was not approved for anybody else’s use on any other Culver V aircraft. In fact, according to the FAA, even if Mr. Butterworth was alive and purchased another Culver V, he could not use his STC again without gaining a new approval under a new STC.

My interest in obtaining the STC was in wanting to help existing Culver V owners whose Vs are grounded due to not having an airworthy propellor. Ken Kinsler and Blake Reid are two that I am aware of. I also pursued this because I had an interest in wanting to purchase a V but, without an affordable solution to the propellor issue, it makes no sense to buy one.

If we could have used the Butterworth STC, that would have provided a cost effective solution to this problem. The FAA has been uncooperative and is clearly unwilling to assist in any way.

At one point they told me that they could not release the STC information to me because they had to protect the STC holder (Mr. Butterworth) because the STC has some value. Then they tell me that no one else could ever use that STC and that Gerry Butterworth couldn’t even use it again if he were alive. So I asked them, if that was the case, what is the value of the STC?! Zero, right?!

The only value in that STC is the knowledge that Gerry Butterworth obtained during his flight test activities. There are two very important questions that can only be answered by that knowledge:

How did the fixed pitch propellor impact the airplane’s performance?

Is it worth it to make the change?

That is at the heart of what I was trying to find out but the FAA is guarding this information as if it were a matter of utmost National Security. They simply will not release it.

They will release it to Gerry Butterworth who passed away on 9 /5 /2015. Of course, Gerry provided this information to the FAA in the first place so it isn’t likely that he would ever need it back from them, is it?

They will also release the STC information to the current registered owner of Culver V N3038K. The last owner of the V was Erle S. Hansen who passed away 3 /22 /2023. Mr. Hansen scrapped the airplane sometime during 1976 and it was deregistered on 7 /16 /1977.

I guess if we could find the scrap of wood that has the Manufacturer’s data plate on the V, then we could register ownership of it and the FAA would then have to find another excuse not to release the information to us.

The irony is that the FAA has maintained a paper file of this STC since November of 1972. That is more than fifty two years. Someone comes along looking for the information that it contains because it would be useful to multiple people. You would think that the FAA would be excited that someone could benefit from this information which they have stored for half a Century. You would think that they would be happy to help. You would be sorely mistaken.

They treated me like I was some sort of criminal up to some nefarious activity. I even told Kris Greer that if he had a problem with me and did not want me to receive the information, to send it to Antique Aircraft Association. Send a copy to the Vintage Aircraft Association. Send a copy to Ken Kinsler and Blake Reid. Let them benefit from the knowledge that Gerry Butterworth gained during his flight testing.

No, that would be too easy. Th ...

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Brian Lott, e-mail, 08.07.2025 Brian Lott

(Continued) No, that would be too easy. The FAA wants the next guy to have to start from scratch, to reinvent the wheel and incur all the risks that Gerry Butterworth had to face fifty some years ago. How stupid can they be?!

Anyway, I did not see your name on the chain of ownership for this particular V. Gerry Butterworth sold it to John F. MacNeil on 4 /16 /1974. Edward E. Radcliffe purchased it on 8 /8 /1975 and Erle S. Hansen purchased it on 1 /12 /1976.

Apparently it needed a major rebuilding at that point and Mr. Hansen elected to scrap it instead.

One other interesting note. At one point, one of the FAA folks that I spoke with who had looked at the STC file stated to me during a phone call that “he didn’t see any performance data in the file”.

So Mr. Butterworth flew 29.9 hours of flight testing and provided no performance information?

So the FAA approved a propellor STC with no performance information?

I think we all know better, don’t we?!


Brian K. Lott

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Anonymous, 17.11.2021 07:42

Setting the trim tab is critical on a Culver V. It must be set to the takeoff position or else it will probably not rotate for takeoff or if it does, it will not climb.

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Marshall smith- AUVM.net, e-mail, 20.08.2022 Anonymous

Hi. We have a TD2C-1 culver 14. We are in process of restoring it. We do not have the tailcone, would anybody be willing to let us borrow a tail cone to make a copy? Aviation unman vehicle museum, AUVM. Located 40 minutes east of Dallas in Caddo Mills, TX.

Www.auvm.net

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Richard Simile, e-mail, 29.10.2020 03:35

Hi All,

Just an FYI that I might have a Beautiful Culver Cadet and an amazing Culver LCA for sale shortly. If anyone has any interest please call me at 602-884-2111. The are located in Atmore Alabama. I have enjoyed reading the stories above. Thanks !!

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M. Mulder, e-mail, 30.12.2020 Richard Simile

Dear Richard,

Could you send me information about the two Culvers coming up for sale?

Kind regards,

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Frank Samples, e-mail, 09.08.2015 00:44

In approximately 1945 a Culver Cadet crashed in Dunbar, WV while attempting a loop. There were two fatalities, Archie Clemmons, the pilot and the son of A.W. Cox.

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Will OConnor, e-mail, 01.02.2015 19:25

The Vintage Flying Museum in Fort Worth, TX is in possession of a Culver LFA Cadet from early WWII. It is currently being restored to airworthy status.

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Charles Hampton A/P, IA, e-mail, 16.04.2014 06:35

Would like to respond to Jack Carlin e-mail Concern Culver V
N3077 owned by Robert H. Hampton my dad which meet its end at Turners Falls Airport Massachusetts in 1957. That aircraft was a wonderful cross country aircraft but as Mr. Carlin said a woeful climber fully loaded and in hot weather. The story goes on that day his passenger was a prospective owner as the aircraft was for sale. Unfortunately this person showed up late after the fuel pumps were closed. Since he had come some distance, Dad didn't want to disappoint this fellow. Dad felt there was enough fuel for once around the patch, or so. Unfortunately in showing the flight charastics a hammer head stall was under taken which resulted in no gas to engine and not sufficient altitude to reach the runway. A wheels up landing was made in short weeds about 300ft short of runway. Airplane not seriously damaged, occupants unhurt, except for Dad's pride, Unfortunately when aircraft was lifted to be placed on its wheels the mahogany fuselage back was broken. So it was sold for parts.

As Jack referenced the aircraft was also in other accidents. The other one took place in Elmira New York. Again things added up to do dad in. He had worked on the machine floor set up new machinery for Threadwell Tool and Dye in Greenfield Mass. It was a hot day and floor temps in the plant were 107 degrees. He left that day to fly to Dayton Ohio to visit his family. In Elmira he fueled. The airport manager noticed he was fatigued and suggested he stop there and stay over night. Free bed at the airport was available. No he wanted to push on. After takeoff he forgot to pull up the gears and by that time he had flown into a box canyon. Another wheels up landing and a broken back for injury. As kids working in a cold hangar we helped Dad rebuild. This all happened in 1953 and 1954.
In another year flying back to Dayton surrounded by thunder storms he headed for Niagra International, NY. On final some mile out he was told to hurry up by the tower because a 727 was also on final. He did and landed wheels up as the 727 flew low over him. He remarked it was the smooth landing he ever made as the wood prop just splintered. Another time flying to Dayton he iced up just west of Springfield Ohio and declared an inflight emergency and the longest runway possible as aircraft controls were quite heavy. With the controller assistance a vector was made to Wright Patterson SAC base. He claims to have landed the aircraft at over 100 MPH surrounded by fire trucks and APs.

Dade was very active in the Mass Civil Air Patrol. After moving to Florida in ended up with that organization as an honorary full colonel. When I added up his flight hours in gliders, sailplanes and light aircraft it was just over 5300 hours. His last private plane was a Stinson 108-3 with metalized wings and fuselage. He was a long time member with EAA. Thanks Jack Carlin for the memories. It was a wonderful bunch of pilots at Turners Falls Airport.

Since I retired as a senior Administrator at "The Ohio University" I got an A /P and I /A and still restore airplanes such as cubs ,ercoupes, aeroncas and the like from the classic era. And it all started with Culver V N3077K and Dad rebuilding of it.

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Bob Doernberg, e-mail, 01.02.2014 22:01

In 1961, I was home in Spencerville, Ohio for summer vacation from my sophomore year at Culver Military Academy. My dad owned a Stinson Station Wagon and flew it out of Bob Croft's grass strip just west of town. I had been scraping together a little money from my summer job to take flying lessons in a Cessna 140, went for a lesson one sunny afternoon and saw the coolest plane resting in the shadows of his barn a low-wing, retractable, smooth skinned, low-wing monoplane. Bob Croft told me he had just purchased it, and that it was a Culver Cadet. When I heard that I had to go up in it. He obliged, and that afternoon I believe I became the only Culver Cadet to fly a Culver Cadet. As I remember, the landing gear became spring-loaded as they were lowered, and retracted almost instantaneously. I plan on attending Oshkosh this July, and that's the first type I'm going to look for.

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Frank Strange, e-mail, 29.01.2014 18:16

Hello Bill Rogers----My Name is Frank Strange and I used to own N8442B back in the mid 80s---I live in Palatka Florida and I stayed pretty close to home with her. She did love the ground but once in the air was a fun little bird---I kind of hated to let her go but did not have a chose. I am like You as I have been around for a while (75 years)---Can't pass a physical any more so it is just a dream and memory now---Thanks for bringing those memories back.
Frank

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Bob Atol, e-mail, 10.01.2014 12:35

I was in Naval Air at Santa Ana when the war ended and I was shipped to our other base at Lompoc. A civil service worker offered me an aircraft engine and it was a Franklin with dual carbs.I got it in June of 46 and I still have it in 2014 in Pasadena CA. I was going to put it in a dry lakes race car but never did. Some day maybe. Was the service drone hotter than the later model?

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Robert Wall, e-mail, 31.12.2013 05:21

I bought SN 444 N41726 Culver Cadet (Franklin 80 hp)in 1954 with a 41 custom Chev coupe and + /- $500. Flew it about a year and sold it 'cause I needed a car. Current owner in OR I believe. The Cadet was more popular than the V but this website doesn't even mention it. How come?

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Jack Carlin, e-mail, 25.12.2013 04:36

I overhauled a Cont 85 engine for a Culver V in 1955. It belonged to Bob Hampson,N3077K, It crashed for lack of fuel at the Turners Falls, MA airport in 1957. It had crashed prior to that in Western, Pa or Eastern ohio due to bad wx. Hampson was the pilot both times. I flew N3077K several times after getting out of Navy flight training in 1957. It was underpowered, It would leave the runway and then not climb, especially loaded and in warm wx. I don't see it in the registrations so assume it went for parts Hampson and the passenger Francis Atherton were unhurt luckily.

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Old Bob Siegfried, e-mail, 21.11.2013 04:22

Good Evening, I flew with Bob Kaukee (sp?) in one in which he had installed a 115 Lycoming. Something of a ground lover, but not bad once it got airborne. No idea if he ever got it approved with the bigger engine and have no idea where it went. That was in about 1949 or 1950 at Elmhurst airport of suburban Chicago.

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Ann Burns, e-mail, 02.09.2012 20:58

I now own Culver V N3104K since my husband Curtis Burns passed away this year. My plane is undergoing it's annual inspection and a new paint job. I want to sell it as soon as possible. Please read the posting by Curtis Burns on 15.05.2008.

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Eric Holverson, e-mail, 28.01.2012 00:13

My dad owned culver v NC80261 circa 1950. He's owned various planes throughout his life but this one is probably the one he remembers most fondly. If anyone has any history on it after my father owned it, he would be elated to hear about it. All i have is a few old faded pics of it. Thanks!

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Joe Moreland, e-mail, 13.11.2011 22:31

I own SR# 17 at preaent time. The Government bought 10 i was told and they had 150hp but I have not found any more information about them. I live in southern New Mexico

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Scott Boyd, e-mail, 05.07.2011 06:03

I flew a Mooney Mite a few times but never a Culver. With Johnson bar retraction and a 65 hp engine it was not too bad. From the picture I think it was smaller yet.

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Jim Thompson, e-mail, 04.07.2011 22:44

I owned Culver V N3074-K, purchased it in Atlanta, Ga, flew it it for 2 or 3 years and sold it to a fellow from the Northeast. Last I knew, he as headed home with it, like in the Boaton area. It was a neat-flying little bird, all one had to do was convince it that it could fly, get it off the ground, get the gear up, and climb out at about 250 feet per minute. Once one got it to altitude, it would trim out in lever flight at just about 120 mph, and lean down to about 5 gallons per hour. I've always wondered whatever became of it.

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Stan Henslee, e-mail, 02.06.2011 02:18

Note to Richard Price - your Culver Cadet the Turbulent Twerp belonged to my father, Gene Henslee until he sold it in 1949 - it was named after my sister Patricia. Have many pictures if you want any.

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Chuck Blaker, e-mail, 13.05.2011 00:36

Back in the late 50's I bought a neat little airplane called the Culver Cadet for 600 dollars. As I remember, it was powered by a 90 HP Franklin and would cruise at about 145 @ 5000 ft. burning around 6.5GPH. I loved the little bird and would to have another.

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